On 30 Mar 2001 01:11:55 GMT, lawriew@aol.com (LawrieW) wrote:

If I were to cut to the chase about scientology, and try to explain why I think
it is need of reform, I would put aside the sci-fi aspects and the cases of
financial rip-off. For me, from bitter personal experience, the damage done by
this church goes right back to the fundamental reaction people sometimes have
when you first mention Scientology to them, "don't they break, up families?"
Sadly, that first response is the correct one, "yes they Do."
Scientology has its own "Los Desaparecidos". The disapeared ones it creates
with its policies of disconnection.

The question I ask, is does the church realize fully the pain and cruelty they
inflict with this unusual policy? You have read about the Woodcrafts recently
on ARS. I am a single father and I have my two daughters Astra and Zoe and my
grandaughter Kate living with me. They now have no contact with their mother,
Lesley, grandmother Daphne Farrow, or their brother Matthew, who are all Sea
Org members. My two daughters are both very good girls, as of course any parent
would say They did enjoy loving relationships with these family members until
they fell foul of official Church policies. After telling the traumatic stories
of their experiences in the Sea organization (paramilitary branch of the Church
of Scientology) to the San Francisco Chronicle, these three family members:
Lesley, Daphne and Matthew refuse any further contact with Astra and Zoe. This
is clearly following the written policies of Hubbard, that anyone who speaks to
the press in a critical about Scientology, is an absolute enemy.

The fact is, Astra and Zoe felt complelled to tell their story, not in a
destructive way, but as a warning to others, and in an attempt to force reform
on Scientology. It is very painful for me to see two young girls who have lost
total contact with their mother. She won't return calls, not a Christmas card,
nothing. I wonder about how long this state will last. What if one of my
daughters has an accident or an illness, what will their mother do? Their
grandmother is approaching 80 years old, will they even be notified when she

From the viewpoint of my ex-wife Lesley, I am absolutely sure that she is going
through mental anquish having no contact with her two daughters and her only
grandaughter. She must miss them, and yet there is no foreseeable resolution in
sight, as Sea Org. members must follow the policies of Hubbard and remain
disconected from anyone who is perceived as having attacked scientology. Now,
my daughters would not necessarily try to persuade their mother to leave the
Sea Org., or unload their opinions of Scientology on her. They would just like
to say "Hi mom, how are you?" once in a while. I do not think the executives of
Scientology realize the agony they put people through with this policy. I beg
them to consider reform and I think they would be held in much higher regard by
the public if they did.

I can of several scenarios where families have been split up, and this is
perceived by the public as constituting mental cruelty. (And of course by Human
rights advocates such as Amnesty Intertnational). I think of East and West
Germany before the collapse of Communism where families would be split by a
border of barbed wire and land mines. Also there is North and South Korea, and
only recently, families were reunited for a short period, only to be split up
and returned back to the North and South. I also think of Argentina in the
eighties, when you had the instance of "Los Desaparecidos" (the disapeared
ones). Families would endure years of agony over the disapearance of their
loved ones, and probably never heard what fate ultimately awaited them.

My point is, most religions cherish and wish to strenghten the concept of
family. For a religion to actually dismantle a family is unthinkable. I know
other friends who are in a similar situation. A man, who's name I won't
mention, who has no contact with his 19 year old son. You should see the look
of pain on his face when the subject is broached. Many Scientologist are
terrified of this policy, and keep quiet about their critcisms and their
questions, because they know that at the drop of a hat, they will no longer be
able to speak to their brother or mother or friend.

So Scientology, I ask you this: respect people's 1st amendment rights and
listen to them. Realize that other large organizations are criticised and that
they are able to reform and may end up better for it. Other organization that
have split up families have been harsh and cruel military dictatorships. They
have enjoyed a reign of terror for a few years and have invariably perished.
And finally, let my daughters speak to their mother.

Mark Plummer wrote:

I know this so well. It has been six and a half years since I've seen my
second child. The last time I saw him he was eleven years old. And it has
been almost four years since I've seen my oldest son. I don't even know where
either of them are any more.

I think the cult's leaders do realize the pain and cruelty they create with
their disconnection policy, and I believe they don't care about us because
we are "out-ethics SPs" in their minds. The cult's leaders believe that
their actions are "the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics".

Yes, it is clear that we are "enemies". And how odd this is, that we
should be considered such, considering that the truth sets people free.

Most likely they will learn long after any possibility exists for them to
make arrangements to attend the funeral.

I agree. But the "low toned" leaders of Scientology will most likely
continue to robotically follow Hubbard's policies. How can they do

I know many ex-Scientologists who suffer the same situation as your family

The fact that the Latch family supports the Scientology cult saddens me.
That anyone supports the cult is sad.

The Scientology cult is a business masquerading as a religion. For the
cult members to do other than what Hubbard ("source") said is unthinkable
to them. To do otherwise would be to make them "squirrels", and then
_they_ too would be subject to the "fair game" policy.

I know a few in this situation myself. It keeps some individuals I know
from speaking out for fear they will suffer a completely broken family

I say speak the truth far and wide across the world. Dry up the pool of
potential cult victims by informing everyone you know about the evil of
Scientology. Educate. Inform.

Thanks for speaking out, Lawrence. My hat is off to you.

Warrior - Sunshine disinfects
See http://warrior.offlines.org/

I wholeheartedly agree.

This seems like a different group than the one we joined. If we knew when we
began this path that the lives we were building on a foundation of
Scientology could someday be taken away from us because of our heartfelt
opinions, or from taking actions we deeply believed in for the good of all,
then we never would have built these lives.

We became Scientologists because we believed in fighting for the truth. We
staked our lives on creating spiritual freedom for man. We learned to value
granting beingness as the highest virtue. And we swore to reinstate the
inalienable rights that no agency less than God had the right to set aside.

But life changed as we valued Scientology more. We saw instances where our
attachments were threatened. We saw the goldenrods written on others,
hanging in the hallway after course, and we began to fear our own exile. So
we learned to behave in a way that didn't question, that looked the other
way when things didn't go like we thought we believed.

And slowly we became cowards.