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Subject: Re: Anyone read Beelzebubs tales?



"El Queso" <the_cheese_23@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I have read much of Gurdjieff's other works - but can't find Beelzebub's
tales in anything other than an expensive hardback. Have you noticed how
much LRH swiped from G.?
Queso





Ya, the Gurdjieff/Ouspensky/Bennett triad. Required reading for the
'Robert Fripp' *Guitar craft*, King Crimson cult band crowd. Especially
the study of Fripp's main man, John G. Bennett. He works Bennett's
teachings on his 'guitar craft' students;
http://www.guitarcraft.com/introduction.htm


I only say Guitar Craft cult crowd, because I had a friend who used to 'go
away' to Claymont Court west Virginia for Fripp's Bennett/Guitar
'courses'. He'd come back a week later with a glazed TR-0 'no emotion'
type stare that's peculiar to Fripp's same glaring mannerism. As I was
years out of scientology by then, I'd simply shake my head to myself when
I'd see him in this temporary state after he'd come back from his 'retreat
course' and go to myself, "Ya, I know where that pseudo 'transformation'
feeling is coming from and why". He'd talk about those guitar 'courses',
after coming back from his Fripp 'retreat', like he gained some sort of
'higher' cosmic awareness from them. He liked to use the word "clarity"
quite a bit (And he was never a scientologist). I'd tell him to shut up
and please pick up a guitar pick and play, to see if his guitar playing
improved at all from his 'retreat'. Those guitar 'courses' did nothing for
his playing whatsoever. He still sounded like shit playing the same
garbage as he always did before going. The only difference being that he
tried to play his usual garbage lines 'like Fripp'. But I'm sure Robert
Fripp secretly thanked him for the thousand+ dollars he got from him---(to
be at the 'masters' feet for a few days). I admit I'm prejudiced regarding
Fripp for reasons. For one, I don't like the way he plays guitar at all.
His side kick 'Adrian Bellew', of King Crimson, is much better as a guitar
player in my book. And he's nothing like Fripp whatsoever in mannerism or
play. A genuine Wog and true individual talent.


It sounds like you've read a lot more Gurdjieff than I have to make that
statement about 'swiping' from LRH. But I have read a couple of Bennett's
books from the insistence of my former 'friend' above, (Bennett was a
direct disciple of Gurdjieff), and I found a hell of a lot of scientology
principles in his works as well. In fact, I'd say most of the scientology
axioms as 'spirit/mind' cosmic theories, are written in his books with his
own mystical 'twist' to them. To me, same unproven mystical garbage as
scientology, based on non objective bad poetry trying to pass itself off
as legitimate 'spiritual' science. He follows the same formula as LRH in
writing by 'borrowing' solid scientific terms from other legitimate
fields, which he carry's over and rescrambles into his own
mystic/pseudo-science theories. Even his bio reads like LRH's. It's
hilarious. I'll place my own brackets [ ] for LRH's bogus bio/tech
points, written by me within those brackets, vis-a-vis the Bennett 'bio'
below which are not bracketed. Notice the similarity. It's frightening;;



"John G. Bennett (1897-1974), a man of exceptional insight and
accomplishment, devoted his life to seeking the meaning of human
existence. He traveled extensively in Asia in the early years of this
century, initially as an officer and interpreter for British Military
Intelligence.[LRH travels as a kid to China and the orient with his
military/Navy father and Mother] His skills as a linguist---he spoke six
languages fluently, and several dialects of Central Asia---opened doors
for him, and he was able to make contact with many prominent spiritual and
political leaders. [LRH and his chats with the oriental Buddhist 'monks']
He returned to the east again and again, convinced that the keys to
spiritual transformation lay in the wisdom of the ancient teachings. [LRH
and the 'Vedic hymns' as his ancient teachings basis for scientology
research] In 1920, while in Turkey, he met G.I. Gurdjieff whose work, and
his central question, "What is the sense and significance of life on
Earth, and human life in particular?" became a touchstone for Bennett's
search. [LRH's Research in life for Dianetics creation. His discovery of
the 'survive' principle in his book, 'science of survival']. After a
period of work with Gurdjieff at Fontainebleau, Bennett returned to
England, where he studied with Gurdjieff's student P.D Ouspensky for
several years, while developing his career as a scientist in industrial
research. [ LRH GW university 'nuclear-class' period, and later claiming
to be a nuclear physicist]. After the second world war, Bennett was
reunited with Gurdjieff in Paris and entered an intensive period of
personal work with him, which came to an end with Gurdjieff's death in
1949. [ LRH leaving the military after studying psychoanalysis under the
tutelage of commander 'snake' thomson during world war two] Although he
continued to explore other traditions, Bennett regarded Gurdjieff as his
teacher throughout his life. [Crowley/Parson's connection. Crowleys 'The
Book of the Law' as the basis to LRH's life quest (This particular bracket
being not bogus but true)]


"A brilliant scientist and mathematician, [Nuclear Physicist and engineer]
Bennett brought a trained intellect to his spiritual work; the result was
a powerful synthesis---a comprehensive, practical approach to
transformation.[LRH emphasizing that he 'melded' both occidental and
oriental teaching 'traditions', for scientology's creation which resulted
from both areas of his study and work]. Gifted with an uncommon ability to
transmit his understanding to others, [LRH's social charisma via mystical
philosophy as science] Bennett worked with students both individually and
in groups over nearly five decades, maintaining an attitude of search and
research, of experimentation and question. [LRH research history and
discovery series PR]. In 1964, he founded the institute for the
comparative study of History, Philosophy and the Sciences [scientology's
establishment in 1954]. The institutes property, Coombe Springs, in
England, became a well known center for group work, seminars and study
[Saint Hill Manor and the 'Briefing course', Sussex England]. Bennett
spoke of continuous education, and referred to his life as a "work in
progress".[The commodore's research and his Orgs delivering 'courses']. In
his teaching, he elucidated the relationship between Knowledge, Being and
Will [the KRC triangle; Knowledge, Responsibility, and Control]----that
ideas must penetrate beyond the intellect to reach a deeper part of us,
[the 'theta' principles in teaching], and that knowledge must be amplified
by awareness [OT levels]. In his exploration of the religious and
devotional, he delved deeply into traditional rituals, seeking the common
spiritual action at their roots [ Creating the scientology axioms].


"Bennett developed a scale of energies and their transformations [The
scientology axioms. # 38 in particular regarding the '4 conditions of
existence']. He sought an essential understanding of the path we travel
when we enter the spiritual worlds [auditing and the 'tech' of auditing].
His studies on universal energies, which took place in the 1950's [LRH in
the 1950's; the phoenix lectures and Philadelphia doctorate material
regarding universal energy basics], describe spirituality as energy
occurring on a finer level than our ordinary experiences [scientology
axioms as the basis for 'theta' manifestation, and the 'thetans'
whole-track experience]. Each spiritual action has it's own unique quality
of energy, which is it's contribution to the cosmic process [scientology
axiom 38, 'the 4 conditions']. Man is part of and participates in this
spectrum of energies, and his evolutionary path lies in choosing to
participate consciously in the refinement of energies [scientology
axioms;the thetans 'whole track'/auditing/ and ethics conditions]. Through
struggle with oneself, and a deep, objective seeing of our situation as it
is, certain intermediate energies are produced, which allows help to come
from a higher level [scientology auditing process of PC via 'as-is-ness'
of grosser mental energies in session]


"Seeing the disintegration of values in contemporary culture, the neglect
of the needs of the planet, and the alienation of the individual as
symptoms of a spiritual crisis [scientology ethics], Bennett taught the
necessity of cooperation between man, nature, and the higher powers [the
scientology 8 dynamics].


The above (non brackets) contents taken from the book; "Energies;
material, vital, cosmic" by John G. Bennett.


http://www.gurdjieff.org/bennett.htm




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