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Day 2 - pages 1 to 20 Ron Hubbard's son's testimony, Ron DeWolfe
( more RonDewolfe on this site:
Newspaper interview with Ron DeWolfe HERE
Sworn Affidavit by Ron DeWolfe from Flynn Litigation HERE)

Then, I arrived in Phoenix, Arizona in early '52. He had just arrived from Wichita with Mary Sue. And the very first day -- the very first day I arrived, he wanted me audited immediately. But I had been -driven all night and I was eighteen years old. I knew nothing about Scientology. All I had read was Dianetics*: The Modern Science of Mental Health, and it never really interested me very much as a book when I was young. So, after about a couple of weeks there, we got involved -- he asked me to sit down on the couch, and I was high on Benzedrine, Bennies. And we started doing, quote, "research" on a book called History of Man. So, we spent a couple, three days on that. Here's the book here, The Scientology History of Man; here's a copy of it. And all the incidents -- he did a few with Mary Sue, but the majority of incidents in it were off the top of my head, as I had upwards of twenty, thirty milligrams of Bennies in me.

[ Bennies = Speed = amphetamines ]

Day 2 - pages 21-40 MR. DeWOLFE: Well, that is slightly incorrect. I was very much a part of the criminal conspiracy through the fifties,,* so it really wasn't me watching it become a criminal conspiracy. It would have to be I watched it continue to become a criminal conspiracy, to be more accurate. Well, you must realize that power corrupts, and. absolute power corrupts absolutely. But I wish to paraphrase on that, which is that, for instance, power is very enjoyable, and total and absolute power is ecstasy. 2-23 The -- Scientology is a power and money game.

Day 2 - pages 41-60

MR. LECHER: Your father wanted you to steal an H- bomb?

MR. DeWOLFE: Yeah. He wanted me to

MR. LECHER: From whom?

MR. DEWOLFE: Anybody and everybody. We got -- I never got into it, because.I said, "Oh, no, thank you." And sort of -- things went click in my head, and I said, "I don't -- I have two children and I don't want to get involved in that." And that was in late 1958.
MR. LECHER: He wanted you to steal the parts or the whole bomb?
MR. DeWOLFE: No. He wanted a whole package. The but the -- as an example, one of the things he said to me.-was that he said it many, many times he said, "Don't call it murder, call it suicide." And there's another quote, "I connotate loyalty as the highest ethic." That means, "Follow me." That means, "Total dedication, total loyalty to me, L. Ron Hubbard."And that's the one-thing that he put before any
and all everything. And -

Day 2 - pages 61-80. DeWOLFE: The origin simply was that if anybody gave us any problem, any trouble, why, we'd just attack them. We had -- we were pretty successful at it. And if you're talking about power and what have you, that was a lot of fun to take on the FBI, take on the IRS, take on the government, take on anybody and whip it out. And as I said, I'm twenty -- in the early twenties, and we're stomping the hell out of people and getting away with it. But the point -- that's pretty heady stuff.

Day 2 - pages 81-100 MR. GREENE: I might direct your attention to the last entry in the left-hand column: In Nuclear and Atomic Physics, Hubbard received an F.
The faculty took action, which is indicated in the lower right-hand corner of the exhibit, if you could move it up on the screen. Mr. Hubbard was on probation when he returned-in September of 1931. Again, directing your attention to the left-hand column, in Mathematics/Calculus, Hubbard received an F .

Day 2 pages 101-120 Ex-Member- Lori Taverna's testimony: "he told me what he did. He said, "I had to go into a building in Manhattan mid-town and I had to get someone's fingerprints on a blank piece of paper or an envelope." He said it was a woman's fingerprints, someone who wrote a book against Scientology. And he said, "I don't know why I had to do this." He said, "But it must have been something very important because I was treated like a hero." He said they were all making a very big fuss over this, and he was awarded auditing as a reward for doing this project." ( referring to the framing of author Paulette cooper for a bomb threat )

Day 2 pages 121-140 "I just couldn't bear it. I felt that if I didn't leave at that point, I would physically die; I couldn't live anymore. And I don't remember going home; I was in a daze. I know I hid at the airport; I was in fear of my life. I wasn't sure what people were capable of, but I had heard a lot of stories about things that were done to people. And we have a policy in Scientology of handling a blown student, that you are to physically restrain them."

Day 2 pages 141-160 "He said, "I already know what it is. The children have herpes."
And my sister walked in and she saw infants -- she saw babies on the floor. They had sores all over their face and mouth. And my sister went into a rage. She went in and she said, "I want these children taken care of." And the Medical Officer said, "Well, who are you? What are you doing here?" He said, "As a matter of fact, I won't talk to you anymore." He said, "We don't have any money for a doctor."
So, she said, "Well, you get the money." And then, finally, my sister got so mad, she said, "Well, if you don't do something about these children right now, I'm calling the Board of Health." When she said that, she got a lot of attention: GO people, "Do you realize what you just said?" She was declared PTS, threatening to embarrass or sue Scientology, one of those categories.
The Medical Officer called her -- he said, "You just committed a suppressive act." She said, "No. You committed the suppressive act." She said, "I want these children cared for."
So, I know this goes on. I've *seen it. I've seen

Day 2 pages 161-180 "The only time that I have ever felt I was treated not as a human being was at Clearwater in '79. Before hat, I felt that it didn't matter if I got $3.00 or $10.00; it had nothing to do with the money at the time. It had to do with just helping to make a better world. It didn't matter.

Day 2 pages 181-200 : "After I left Clearwater, I felt that I had just escaped with my life. I really felt that I had been to a hell and that I was alive again. And I just I knew that I would never, ever be on staff or have anything to do with Scientology again. "

MRS. GARVEY: "Did you ever tell anyone that your auditing was confidential_?,-
MS. TAVERNA: That their auditing was confidential?
MRS. GARVEY: Were you ever told auditing is confidential, the information that you
MS. TAVERNA: Oh, positively. Every -- I mean, that is -- it's printed and you read it., you know. I don't even know where specifically. But that is very common knowledge. It's printed in a lot of places. Anything you say-will, you know, be kept in confidence. It's assumed and it's also printed.
MRS. GARVEY: Would you have continued as an auditor if you, in fact, knew that this was not going to be kept confidential?
MS. TAVERNA: Never. One of the things that upset me and actually brought me to tears -- that I did see some information from a preclear folder that was used by the Guardian's Office. I saw the person's name and I saw all their sexual withholds, and I just -- I cried because that was something sacred to me as an auditor, that a person could tell me anything. And to me, it was the same as a priest. And I feel that all the people that had auditing, I subjected them to harrassment. And it shocked me that -- it disturbed me very much.
MRS. GARVEY: You actually did see then an audit had been used?

Day 2- Page 201-220 MR. FLYNN: The question of a legal release was brought up by Mrs. Garvey. We will be putting into evidence the standard legal release which is contained in their standard volume, which, I believe the evidence will show, most Scientologists sign.. But I believe the evidence will show that most Scientologists don't even are not aware of what they are signing. We will be putting that into evidence, together with actual -- the form, together with actual forms that have been signed by former Scientologists, together with promissory notes, waivers, and affidavits as to the type of

Day 2- pages 221-240 MR. LeCHER: As the Mayor of the city, I'd like to think about the image that you have of the city. And I when you mention Rome, you get a certain mental image; when you mention Salt Lake City, you get another image. And I guess you get a totally different one when you mention Dachau.

What did you think of when you were going to come to Clearwater, when you first arrived? And what did you think of Clearwater after you escaped? You mentioned the word "hell" before. Does that have any connotation with our city?
MS. TAVERNA: What I thought of Clearwater was just so horrible; I couldn't believe that anyone lived here. I -- I hated everything about the city. I heard the name and the association was with misery and pain, and I said it was ugly and horrible. And it just meant pain and misery to me. I said I would never come back here for the rest of my life or look at.I got almost physically ill when I looked at pictures of it. I would get tremors for about a month after if I got a brochure and looked at the Fort Harrison. And I noticed something interesting last night. I was on the balcony of where I am staying, and I looked at the beach and I said, "It's one of the most beautiful cities I've ever been in." And I'm looking through new eyes. And I said, "What did I think was so horrible?" It was being in an atmosphere that was so ugly and so suppressive.
I don't think of it -- I mean, I might still have a little funny feeling about Clearwater, but I know it's not that way now.
MR. LeCHER: Thank you. If you stay a couple of more days here, you'll love it, too.
MR. LeCHER: Thank you very much.
You've been very good, very cooperative, and a very brave lady.
MS. TAVERNA: Thank you.
MR. FLYNN: Mayor, can we take a-ten-minute recess?

Day 2 - pages 241 -276 Casey Kelly Testimony : MR. BERFIELD: You would -- you would or would not recommend anybody going into Scientology?
MR. KELLEY: I would recommend against it with all my heart and soul going into it and getting out of it.
That's---another thing that I would like known. The average Scientologist doesn't know about some of these clandestine -- they don't know about any of these clandestine activities that -- I don't know if anyone's testified on it or not. But some of the harrassment of Mr. -- former Mayor Cazares or the Saint-Petersbu-rg Times writers.
They hear about that stuff, some of these harrassments, wire taps, and things, and these the Scientolo
gist doesn't believe it. They figure that's just noise to sell papers, when, in fact, it's actually occurring.
The average Scientologist you see walking on the street probably isn't a bad person, but he's misled by the organization, by the policies of the organization.
MR. BERFIELD: Now, you say they're misled. Do you know this to, be a fact?
MR. BERFIELD: Can you give us a for instance?
MR. KELLEY: Theone for instance I give is an
incident that happened to me in my home after I got out
of Scientology, an incident of harrassment, which I don't
know if it's -- that's a -
MR. LeCHER: That's very pertinent.
MR. KELLEY: When I was on leave well, before I
went on leave in Portland or Vancouver, Washington where my brother lives, my brother called everyone from the FBI, to the CIA on down to find out about Scientology. He kind of knew that it wasn't all that it was cracked up to be, but he didn't really know what to do about it until he called a lot of people -- a bunch of people until he got in contact with someone who knew about religious cults or cult activities.
So when I came home, he had a stack -- you know,
he had a stack of papers, some affidavits and things like that. And he proceeded to ask me a few questions to which I didn't have logical answers for. So, I got out, and I decided to stay home.
But shortly the day after that, Bob and I we went to a business meeting in Seattle and left his wife at home alone.
When we came back, we found her sitting in the closet with a gun in her hand terrified.
What had happened was is the day after Halloween, someone came to the door wearing a Halloween mask, knocked on the door, she opened -- it was a screen door. She opened up the door, they asked if Casey Kelley was there. She said, "No," and started to close the door on the people. They came into the house, harrassed her, exposed themselves, threatened her, saying, "You better leave Casey alone or it can get worse. Don't call the cops." That sort of thing.
No one else in that area knew I was there. I had no friends because I hadn't been there for three years. I had no friends in that area that would do something, you know, off the wall like that. My family didn't even know I was there, except -- with the exception of my brother. He was the only one who knew I was at his home.
That made it very real to-me. That made it kind
of hit home. The average Scientologist does - not know about that sort of thing taking place.. How can a religion do that if it's a bonafide religion?

End of Day 2 testimony


Day 3 - pages 001-025 Casey Kelly continues: MR. LeCHER: Can you walk me through a typical day in the Church of Scientology
MR. KELLEY: It's'a
MR. LeCHE-R: From our Point of view?
MR. KELLEY: Right, from my experience in Clearwater.
Boy, if I can remember. You get up at eight, seven-thirty or eight -- I'm trying to remember now. You eat breakfast, be on post by nine, nine-fifteen, work until lunch, had an hour for lunch, then, work from twelve-forty-five in the afternoon until five-forty-five at night -- in the afternoon, an hour for dinner, and then from six-forty-five until ten-thirty at night. Every day.
You got a day off every other week if your statistics were up.
MR. LeCHER: If your stats were down, what happened to you?
MR. KELLEY: You didn't get you didn't have a
liberty; you kept working.
MR. LeCHER: Explain to me the stats again for the benefit of the new people watching.
MR. KELLEY: Well -- my stats?
MR. LeCHER: No, no, what stats mean.
MR. KELLEY: Statistics -- you're graded by your statistics. Supposedly, in the organization, you're not graded by personality or who you know but by your statistics; that's what counts. It's statistics. Whatever it is that you do, say -- say, you're the Director of Income, your statistics would be how much money you brought in. And if that graph is going up, then, you would get a liberty. If this graph was going down, you'd stay on post that day. There was one period when I went three months without a liberty, not a day off.
MR. LeCHER: Three months?
MR. KELLEY: Maybe four, at least three.
MR. LeCHER: Most of this money that came in, was it coming in from local people or from outside people?
MR. KELLEY: It was coming from outside. much of it was coming in from Europe.

Day 3 - Pages 026-050 "MR. SHOEMAKER: You were, I'm sorry. You were a minister?
MR. KELLEY: Right, before I MR. SHOEMAKER: How long was that -- did that
MR. KELLEY: The course?
MR. SHOEMAKER: -- course take?
MR. KELLEY: That's an interesting story. That's something else the Commission should know about. When the Iranian crisis was going on, there was a directive that came on -- that came down from above Flag that said all Sea Org. members - I don't know if it was Sea Org. members or if it was just Clearwater Sea, Org. members - had to finish their minister's course by the end of the month or go to the RPF. [RPF is slave labor camp ]
MR. HATCHETT: A month?
MR. KELLEY: You had to finish the course. And the only reason I can find.-- now this is -the two events are rather coincidental, but there was talk of the draft coming back. So, the entire staff got through with their minister's course and got ordained.
MR. SHOEMAKER: And that course took you -- normally, how long did it take?
MR. KELLEY: About four or five weeks.
MR. SHOEMAKER: Four or five weeks -
MR. KELLEY: Right.
MR. SHOEMAKER: -- to become an ordained minister?..


MR. BERFIELD: Is this like a Gestapo?
MR. KELLEY: They're not very pleasant people to deal with. That's the way I always felt about -- I only had one mission in my time there in my area, and it was not a pleasant experience.
MR. LeCHER: What happens if you fall in disfavor with a CMO member?
MR. KELLEY: You'll soon find yourself in a blue tee shirt scrubbing a garage, usually. Those -- those guys don't mess around. They will -- I was told point blank once: "One more"
MR. LeCHER: Threats.

Day 3- pages 051-075

MR. LeCHER: What do you think: If I left this meeting on our break and went down to the Open House for Scientology, would I be treated warmly?
MR. KELLEY: You would be treated with complete terror on first walking in. And then, once they got someone to talk to you -- the security guard would have some kind of an attack, I'm sure: "My God, the Mayor's here."
And then, when he got someone that was more capable or qualified or that was their job, the y would show you around. They'd show you the chapel; they'd show you the classroom upstairs, the lobby, you know, these real innocuous things. You know, they won't show you some of the more grisly conditions, you know, say, a crowded dormitory room or, heaven forbid, the RPF auditing room, or
MRS. GARVEY: What's the RPF auditing room?
MR. KELLEY: -- the -- anything else, you know.
They'll just show you this, you know, nice, clean
MR. LeCHER: What is the RPF auditing room? Mrs.
Garvey was thinking out loud. What really is the RPF auditing room? I'd like to know, too.
MR. KELLEY: Just a big room in the garage where they do their auditing.
Normally, auditing is done in a private room. But in the RPF, you've got four or five guys auditing in the same room.

Day 3 Pages 076-100 Lori Taverna MR. FLYNN: The next exhibit is an exhibit of Tonja Burden - it's a multi-page exhibit with some fifty or seventy thousand dollars of promissory notes - who worked for the organization from the age of thirteen to the age of seventeen. She never was given any education in this city; she was for two years and three months.
And as you will see from the exhibit, she signed releases, non-disclosure bonds, promissory notes
MR. LECHER: At what age did she sign these?
MR. FLYNN: At varying ages during -- with regard to the invoices and the promissory notes, at various times when she was in the city. With regard to the releases, she signed releases when she was in the organization. And then, afterwards, she was taken -- after she escaped from the City-of Clearwater, as the affidavit will show and if need be, she can be called as a witness, but she does have a lawsuit against the Church, and I have made an effort to discriminate between individuals who have a lawsuit and those who don't, but she could be called as a witness.
And as her -- some of her documents show, she was -- and her affidavit will show to the Commission, after she literally escaped from the Fort Harrison RPF,
she went home to her -- the City of Las Vegas. And approximately two or three weeks later, two Guardian's office operatives-arrived in the City of Las Vegas and took her to Los Angeles, locked her in a room, and put her on the cans. And after that, she was made to sign many documents which are here, which I won't read at this particular time but.I'll 'read in connection with her affidavit, whereby she was informed that she owed the organization some sixty thousand dollars. And this is after she was out of the organization. And she was sent a freeloader's debt of $63,000.00 which she was told she had to pay and
MR. LeCHER: What I'm getting at: Would she sign something that she believed to be legal? was she a minor; was she under age?
MR. FLYNN:, That's correct.
MR. LeCHER: She was what, sixteen years old?
'MR. FLYNN: That's correct.
She was signing she signed many documents at various points in time from the age of thirteen to the age of seventeen.
MR LeCHER: Can a thirteen to a seventeen year old sign something to pay eighty, ninety thousand dollars?
MR. FLYNN: Of course not.

Day 3 - pages 100-150 Testimony of Rosie Pace

MR. HATCHETT: What may have been your impression
of their physical condition going in or coming out?
MS. PACE: I saw people with sores all over their body. On the RPF, you're not allowed to walk ever, you have to run constantly. And they just look exhausted and physically ill. That's my opinion.
MR. HATCHETT: Would you consider that the conduct of the Church of Scientology, in order to control you and
physically control you and, also, to have the proper mind set to serve them for a billion years have you
heard that term?
MS. PACE: Yes.
MR. HATCHETT: Would you call that repressive in any way?
MS. PACE: Yes.
MR. HATCHETT: Yet, they said the world, generally, were repressive, right?
MS. PACE: Uh-huh.
MR. HATCHETT: And they used tactics far beyond that to achieve their goals;.would you say that?
MS. PACE: Yes.
MR. HATCHETT: Against anyone?
MS. PACE: Yes.
MR. HATCHETT: Thank you.

Day 3 - Pages 100-150

MR. SHOEMAKER: What is the worst thing that can happen to a Scientologist?
MS. PACE: I don't understand.
MR. SHOEMAKER: In terms of devoting your life, which, obviously, you did
MS. PACE: Yes.
MR. SHOEMAKER: -- for a period of sixteen or seventeen years and I'm walking on sensitive ground with the beliefs
what is the. worst thing that somebody could say could happen to you as a Scientologist, the worst thing that could
happen to you?
MS. PACE: Do you mean, after you-leave the Church or while you're a Scientologist?
MR. SHOEMAKER: Or even leaving the Church -
MS. PACE: I think the worst part of the Church of Scientology is the feeling that you can't leave. Through the processing, which I considered damaging sometimes, I feel it's a -- I feel that you can get brainwashed to a point where you feel you can't leave, which is the worst part: the betrayal that you're leaving the group when they're supposedly freeing the planet. And this is drummed into you-. And even now, I still have the effects of Scientology. I'm not over it yet.

MR. BERFIELD: I'll leave you with this one: If you could tell the people of Clearwater and they all could hear you, what would you tell them?
MS. PACE: Well, I think I mentioned it earlier how
I feel about Scientology...When I was in Clearwater at Flag, I hated the city, and I dreaded coming back. And I look at it very different now. I think Scientology -- something should be done about Scientology and I'm glad that the hearings are going on. I'm glad the people are hearing the truth of what goes on at the Fort Harris on. That is all.

And by the time I got to the Treasury Department, I found out that until I did what they call Project 0 and Project I,-which entails about twelve courses, long courses, that I was only going to make $9.60 a week. I said, "Wait a minute. This isn't right. This is not what I was told; this is not what I agreed to," okay? And they said, "Well," you know, "we don't know what your recruiter told you, but this is the way it is." So, I had to accept it.
And about day two -- when I first came there, they put me in a room by myself, which was really nice and I
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Day 3 - Pages 151-200 Mr Ray continued:

Day two they said, "Okay, we're going to take you to where you're going to bunk. Now, this is an exec -- this is a room for executive people in the Church of Scientology, okay? You're new here, don't talk to them." And I said, "What?" And they said, "Don't talk to them." I said, "Okay."
So, I walked into the room, and when that door opened that was it. The air was so thick and the stench was so bad it just about knocked me over. So, I walked in the room and I was just thinking, "You got to be" -
MR. LeCHER: Thick with what and what kind of stench?
MR. RAY: Body odor. And I walked in and the room was about twelve feet by sixteen feet, not including the bathroom; there was a small bathroom there which was a mess. But there were four bunks on each side. Eight people in that room had all their clothes, all their belongings in that room. There were boxes with papers, dirty clothes piled up from the ceiling to the floor -- floor to ceiling, excuse me, and all over the place and there wasn't much room to move around. And there were cockroaches -- like, I'm from the west coast, and I'd never seen palmetto bugs, and to me that's just a giant cockroach.

MR. LeCHER: They are to us, too, but we call them palmetto bugs; it sounds better.


MR. RAY: Y eah. I wanted to leave and go down to the beach and get some sleep. I could not sleep in that room. There were bugs crawling all over the place; it smelled real bad.
One night I was.told by the guys in the room it was a wolf spider - but one night I was laying there and I kept feeling these little bites on my body. I didn't know what it was, these little sharp pain things. And so, I got,up pretty early and decided to take a shower, walked-in, looked down, and the whole side of my body was covered with blood. And so, I washed it off and looked, and there were a whole bunch of little bumps on my body. So, I walked back over to my bed real quick, flipped back the covers, and there was this huge, brown spider. And I smashed it, to say the least.
So, I went to the Medical officer, and I started running a fever. And I and there was no way I could work. I needed to
lay down and get some sleep. So, I went in there, and he said, "What kind of overts and withholds do you have about spiders?" Sick. And I said, "Well, I just need to relax. Can I see a doctor?" And he said, "No, you can't see a doctor." And he says, "Anyway, can you afford it? How much money do you have?" I said, "Well, I have about five dollars." He says, "Well, we don't pay for your doctor's expenses. That's something you're going to have to save for if you want to see a doctor." okay. "What we can do" --
MR. LeCHER: And you were making 8.60 a week at this time?
MR. RAY: Nine-sixty. [ $9.60 ]

MR. RAY: Yes. There are about -- there are some staff members, Fred Hodgekinson is one and Ernie - I don't remember his last name - but they work in the Engineer'ing Department, and they do physical labor, and they're about seventy years old, all right? And they give these guys auditing and processing, you know, to help -- they've got arthritis, okay?
one of them's got some serious back problems. -Well, they tell them that through this auditing, they'll cure that so they can go ahead and work. And they push them just as hard as they push anybody else. And I've seen
them collapse twice.
MR. LeCHER: The older people?
MR. RAY: Yes.

Day 3 Pages 251-300


I saw my daughter very little because she, first, was in the RPF. Then, they got -- they put her in isolation again. She got ill; her fever went up one degree and down one degree, and she was in there for about two and-a-half months in this one room, not allowed to see anybody. You can imagine what that has done to her brain.
Then, when we did come home, we thought everything was going smooth and everything, then, the harrassment started. The night that -- it was twelve-thirty at night when Mary Louise came to my home and she kept trying to get me out of the house. I was -- a mother is the only one who would know the feeling I had. I opened the door and I was really scared of my daughter. And yet, I can't tell you why, except her face, her eyes, and her attitude. I refused to leave the house. And I can't really remember anything that went on all the time that Ernie was with Alan Hubbard. And she wanted to know if we were afraid for our lives, and I told her, "Yes." And then, the police told us we should report that.
and then, the next day we were told that we had to move out. And then, the next day they came on my job. I worked at MGM, where it was strictly guarded,
with millions.of dollars of money in costumes, and I turned around and my daughter was there. And she come -I told her not to come in again, she was jeopardizing my job. She came back two different times and brought Alan Hubbard with her, once. The last time she told me that she said, "I want you to know that nobody has been murdered over any of these things yet. But it's going to get, a lot worse before it gets any better." And I started to cry and I said, "Yes, I know it is." Then*, she put her arms around me and said she loved me.

Day 3 pages 300-346- George Meister

MR. MEISTER: My name is George Meister. I'm here, not because I've ever been a member of the Church of Scientology or ever will be, but I'm here in behalf of my daughter, Susan. And I'd like to have the camera get a shot of this picture, possibly. This is a picture of my daughter, and that's all I have. Susan died aboard the ship, Apollo, June 25th, 1971, with a bullet in the middle of her forehead.

Day 4 pages 001-077

"MR. FLYNN: At this time I will introduce the Affidavit of Stephen Garritano. And I'll read briefly from it. In order to save some time, I'll skip over portions of it and read the pertinent portions into the record.
."My introduction to Scientology was in January of 1977 when the following representations were made to me concerning the benefits of auditing in Scientology. Thes representations were that auditing was scientifically guarantded to confer the following benefits," and then there is a number of them listed which I won't'read.
And then there's a statement about Mr. Hubbard's
background and representations and Mr. Garritano's reliance on them. "Based on the above representations, I joined the Church of Scientology. After two and-a-half years experience as a Scientologist, I eventually discovered that the above representations were false and made for the single purpose to entice the people to purchase auditing and courses or join staff.
"In early 1979, 1 went to Flag Land Base in Clearwater, Florida. I contracted an illness which was later diagnosed as hepatitis. I received an injection/hypodermic needle from a Scientologiat dressed in a white Uniform, which I was told was a hepatitis vaccine. To my knowledge, this individual was not a medical doctor.
"I was later diagnosed by my father,' Dr. Garritano, in the Beth Israel Hospital in Boston, to have suffered from hepatitis, mononucleosis, and strep throat.
"While in Clearwater, I observed the living conditions of staff members to be unsanitary. On one occasion I entered a small room, which was constructed to facilitate one occupant, inhabited by a minimum of eight people. These individuals slept in two triple bunks and two single beds.
"Conditions for those individuals imprisoned in the Rehabilitation Project Force, RPF, were unhealthy
and unsanitary. Those individuals were forced to live and sleep in the garage."
It's signed, "Stephen Garritano," under the pains and penalties of perjury.
If need be, Mr. Garritano, at some point, can be called to testify.
(The Affidavit of Stephen Garritano was marked as Exhibit No. 45, as of this date.)

Day 4 - pages 78-147 Ex Guardians Office auditor Janie Peterson

Mr. Hartwell's auditing information -- copies of the auditing information were made and circulated all over the United States and out of this country They also went a the Worldwide Guardian's Office, which is in England. At one point, his auditing information was -excuse me. It was being used against him, in other words. He was also accused of trying to extort Church money from the Church. This was based on mainly hours of taped testimony that had been taken and edited down to a very small cassette tape.
on Tonja Burden, her auditing information was sent in to -- it was sent here -- or to Las Vegas from the Guardian's Office here in Clearwater, confidential auditing information that she had given. It was accompanied with an order to the Public Relations person in Las Vegas to take to the Review Journal, which is a newspaper,
in an attempt to discredit her to show that she was this bad person, supposedly, based on this information.
On Mrs. van Schaick she already spoke about the
program that was written up called Shake and Bake. Basically, this -:- all programs that were written up were given names. That just happened to be the name of that one. And the purpose of the program was to -- in fact, it was either the first or second step listed on the program. The wording was: "Plant seeds of doubt in her mind concerning her attorney, Michael Flynn, and in her husband's mind regarding her character."

Day 4 pages 148-255

4-160 MR. LeCHER: Thank you. Mr. Flynn.

MR. FLYNN: Go ahead.

MRS. McKEE: This would be in the end the end of the summer or the beginning of the fall of 1981. A friend of mine - his name was Gordon Karas - had recently come home from Los Angeles, He'd been on his advanced courses, and out there he met a lady named Elaine Segal and they just had become friends. Elaine Segal works for Branch 1 of the Guardian's Office, the Investigative Bureau in Boston. My friend went up to Boston, I think, just to visit and stopped into the Church there and saw her and they started chatting. What she said to him is that she would like him to move up to Boston for the purpose of not actually becoming a student, but Elaine would provide documents in a local college to prove that he was - give him a background, a cover story - that he was actually a student in a Boston college, and she wanted Gordon to go out with Michael Flynn's secretary. I don't know that-she specifically said to gather data or not, but Gordon is a very personable, handsome young man and she wanted him to start dating this woman. and get to know Michael-Flynn's secretary, hopefully to


become involved.

MR. FLYNN: That's all at this point. And at that time I was working with the city in preparation of the report to this Commission, the period of time in which she testified about. And at a later point in time we'll try to tie the information together for you.

MR. LeCHEA: Apparently, you're trying to establish a pattern with this?

MR. FLYNN: That's correct. I have - this is hearsay information - I have had information for some that the Church of Scientology had the report to this Commission sometime in advance of its public presentation.

MR. LeCHER:. Thank you very much. Is there anything -- I guess that's it, then.

Day 4 pages 226-300 Scott Mayer testimony

MR. MAYER: -- with the Bill Foster story. I mean, let's face it, I helped a man who was wanted by the federal government get out of this country, and I got him out real fast.


MR. MAYER: I don't know if the statute of limitations is up or not. I'm not here to defend mvself. I've done what I've done and you can make do with whatever you want to of it. But I'm here because I know of a lot of very, very decent people who've been jacked around by this organization, their families disrupted, their lives -- I have not been able to live--in one place for the last three years. I. had to structure my whole occupation not around what I can do but around what I am limited to doing in order to avoid my background with the Church from being exposed to an employer. And that's commonplace. And I would like to see people, like -- the stuff I've got is nothing. There are people that I know of that have got things that would really curl your hair, and they're afraid to step out.


'MR. MAYER: while I'm on the subject, I myself have used data in a person's confessional folder against him, all right? One of the missions that I did - it was a Flag originated Mission; Flag was not in Clearwater at the time - there was a staff member there who had been doing some stuff with some animals. And the woman that was


sent -- she was in the country illegally, by the way; she was sent with me. We brought the guy into the office and just laid it out in front of him and said, you know, "You either get on the stick or you're going to be expelled, and that's your spiritual future." I've done it myself.

Day 4 - pages 301 to end - Dardano testimony

MR. BERFIELD: Can you tell us just very briefly what made you come down here today?

MR. DARDANO: Just for the fact that I know it's important. Scientology has been putting the screws to a lot of people for a long time. And I spent six years and fifteen thousand dollars. The kids -- the people that are being indoctrinated into the Church are -- they're being duped into it. Most of them are just swallowed up by the Church. They're not allowed to think for themselves. You go into the Church and you're immediately fed with L. Ron Hubbard's data. You're not allowed to use any of your own information and experiences to evaluate the present situation. You're completely isolated from society. You think you're doing the best thing in the world. You think you're going to help the world. And you become so dedicated and ingrained in the doctrine of L. Ron Hubbard.

MR. BERFIELD: How would you describe the practice of Scientology?

MR. DARDANO: How would I describe it?

MR. BERFIELD: Yes. Are they honest, deceptive


MR. DARDANO: They're just -- money making; that's all they want to do, just make a buck.

MR. LeCHER: Okay. Mrs. Garvey, any questions?

MRS. GARVEY: Yes. Just -- sir, why did you leave? What finally was the break point?

MR. DARDANO: I was -- after the line was broken up because of the out security and George Bristol's cover being blown in the Attorney General's Office, I went down to FOLO, Flag liaison office in New York. And I was trained there for -- to become a missioner. But Deac Finn and I had several personality conflicts. He had called me back to Boston and I was security checked for about six hours. And after that -- security checking is -- it can get pretty brutal at times, and I had just had enough and decided to leave.

MRS. GARVEY: Why -- what was your justification for your burglarizing and stealing of files?

MR. DARDANO: I thought Scientology was going to save the planet and free the world and we were right and everyone else was wrong.

MRS. GARVEY: Did you see -- did you receive detailed reports that you had to follow on your -

MR. DARDANO: No. Our reports were all typed and handwritten. We didn't receive any written information from the higher sources. It was all given verbally or it was given in written form, but all of the written form was destroyed immediately after it was received.

MRS. GARVEY: That's it. MR.LeCHER: One just quick question for the record: You mentioned someone recruited you into the dirty tricks movement from the Guardian's Office. would you like to give me that name of that person who recruited you?

MR. DARDANO: Yes. It was Gary Brown.


MR. FLYNN: The next witness is going to be Paulette Cooper.

Day 5 - pages 1 thru 111

MR. FLYNN: No. I was not relating it so much to wages, which is an altogether -- another issue. If they paid them the wages, they wouldn't have the labor force to do it.


But even if you enforced an ordinance that says you could only have two people per room, where would the labor force go? And if the labor force is reduced all of the support technology-that keeps this million dollars a week flowing may be affected. One -- one point of interest is that, in 1981, 1 believe, David Ray testified, in the summer, he was over -- he was over at the Fort Harrison. At that time, and this is from my memory - the Scientologists, at least with regard to the Bank of: Clearwater building, were erecting on it - outside their building at some point during that period - to try to spruce up their image, their PR image, while David Ray was chest-deep in garbage and living in a room with eight to ten people. I would suggest to you, that may have something to do with deception of this city. With regard to -- and this is really not specifically relevant because it's the organizational policies, not necessarily Hubbard's. If Hubbard adopted them in the chain of command, that's for your consideration. But if the organization was doing them on an organization wide level, that's all you need, regardless of who wrote them. But there is the SO 1 line, the Sea Org. -- the


Standing Order Number 1, where people like Tonja Burden and Taverna and others could be made aware of the terrible conditions. There is the Hartwell testimony where they were on the ranch with Mr. Hubbard where all the terrible conditions persisted. And that goes right to the top of the organization. The inferences that could be drawn there are of significance. The medical issues are of obvious significance. It's a whole area which could be investigated in itself. Perhaps, it's appropriate for the AMA or for your local investigative agency to do so. There has been testimony, for instance, from Van Schaick that she had to drink alcohol for the hepatitis epidemic. There is the Affidavit of Garritano that he was here; he got hepatitis. If you want to go up and take his deposition or pay for him to come to this city, that could be done. Those epidemics and those problems should not be treated by Medical Officers. The city should be aware that they exist, and they should be given proper treatment. And as someone testified, there wasn't enough money to go-to the doctor. I believe it was David Ray who was told that by the Medical Officer. There wasn't


enough money to go to the doctor, but there was enough money to infiltrate and steal documents from agencies all across the country, including, as the extensive exhibit shows, documents in this city. The education and the care of the children issue is of significance. The testimony by Miss Van Schaick about the death of that child, which is currently under investigation, deserves to be looked into. I will state and this is not to be taken as part of the factual record but only -in terms of your consideration for pursuing the investigation on this subject - - we do have other evidence that has nothing to do with LaVenda Van Schaick about that situation. And when LaVenda Van Schaick testified about it, for your information, we didn't even know that she was going to testify about it, and we didn't know that she had that information because our information comes from other sources. And we were quite surprised when we heard it. The things, like, telling children and thirteen- and fourteen-year old Cadet Org members that the U.S. government nerve gassed Jonestown people is of significant concern, when those same twelve and thirteen-year old children are working day and night -- are working all day and playing video games at night and not receiving an


education. Miss Taverna testified that in another city her child didn't receive the proper education. There's testimony to some degree about what some of these children were doing here. The ideal testimony would have been from a teacher who had been in the City of Clearwater. We have that evidence in Los Angeles, and we are -- we have hard, concrete evidence. We don't have anyone who would come forward that was anywhere closeto a teacher or a nanny in Clearwater that we could have presented to you. We do have that situation, and we presented an affidavit on it with regard to the person's knowledge of the conditions in Los Angeles. And you've got Tonja Burden's testimony that she was here - in her affidavit - for all those years and she never received any. And you have Rosie Pace's testimony and Lori Taverna's testimony, which relate to some degree to the issue, at least, enough to, perhaps, suggest to you that there should be some investigatory effort made in that area. We are going to have to -- there are the issues of restraint, physical versus psychological. There's some evidence of -- probably more evidence of a psycho- logical type of restraint. But there is some evidence of actual physical restraint, and I believe the record will bear that out. David Ray got into a fist fight because he wanted to go out for one day. Taverna was asked to go with her Ethics Officer to physically restrain someone. But I believe the bulk of the evidence shows more of a psychological restraint than a physical restraint, but there is some evidence of the latter. The whole family disintegration issue, et cetera, is an issue of broad-ranging consequences. To me, personally, I would -- and professionally, I would view it as an area of extremely vital concern. tologists would claim that it, perhaps, invades their religious practices, so we won't pursue that -- for the time -- for the present time. The financial issues are, of course, significant. The testimony -- I've already referred to some degree as to how much they made. One of the reasons we brought someone like Kelley, for instance, is because he actually received the invoices. That's pretty hard evidence in terms of accounting procedures and the type of evidence. that often can come into a judicial proceeding, which this is not, on trying to prove how much money they get. They could publish things in their -- on their bulletin board, whatever, as, I believe, Taverna testified to, that she saw some publication about one million per week.


But Kelley's testimony was pretty hard testimony because he actually received the invoices and he knew exactly what was coming in during the period that he was doing that. And there was corroborative evidence on the 2.3 million dollar week.

Mayer testified about the twenty-five pecent seventy-five percent breakdown and how Hubbard tries to keep the expenses down to twenty-five percent. The rice and beans issue, the labor force issue, the nine dollars and sixty cents per hour or seventeen -- per week: or seventeen dollars and twenty cents per week are all issues that have to be considered in terms of the deception, the ordinances, both charitable and consumer protection, and the impact - as I've previously dis- cussed - the impact on controlling to some degree, through proper ordinances or enforcement of zoning provisions or whatever, how that labor force lives would have -- could have a significant impact on financial considera- tions.

The Clearwater connection has a lot of very specific items of evidence. I believe the overall -- and I could run through them. all. I believe they'll all be borne out in the record, when it's created, and the legal inferences to be drawn therefrom.


I suggest to you, as I suggested at the outset, the primary consideration is the organization, not the individuals - not Hugh Wilhere or Janie Peterson or even L. Ron Hubbard. The primary consideration is the organi- zation, whether the organization has got policies.doing the types of things'that some of these witnesses have testified about and what can be done to deal with those policies in your City to prevent them from happening again, and, perhaps, even to correct abuses that have been inflicted upon people in this city in past, but possibly to give them some degree of remedial protection. Thank you.


Does that conclude your summation, sir?

MR. FLYNN: Yes, it does, Mayor.